Hey, y’all… I’m trying to think through a solution for an upcoming gig my music partner (Steve) and I have and could use some help. I’m gonna try referencing a previous post but am not sure exactly how that works. A blueprint for the venue in which we’ll be playing is in a previous post on this forum that I’m gonna try and paste in here:
http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/for…/Y/MBPCSanctuary.GIF
I’ll have my L1 Classic in the spot where you see the red dot. I use it w/ a T1 - Larrivée guitar and two Audix OM-3 mics in the first 3 T1 channels and Steve’s Martin D35 w/ after-market pickup in the 4/5 channel. We do not fill the sanctuary for this service - usually we get about 150 people sitting in the front half to 2/3 of the room. We’ll also have a violin and percussion and then also piano on one song in place of my guitar; I’m not anticipating mic’ing any of those other 3 instruments at this time.
My challenge is that I am basically running the entire service we’re having for the occasion in addition to being a musician for it all, and experience has taught me that my having to be in charge of any sound issues during the service on top of all the other responsibilities I have to deal with completely stresses me out. In December for another service, I borrowed a second L1 from a friend so I had enough additional inputs for people who were speaking and then hired the church sound guy to deal with all the sound for me - my T1 from my L1 plus the R1 coming out of my friend’s system. It worked great to have him run all the sound, but it all felt really complicated because there were regular mics and condenser mics and 4 different people speaking plus all the instrumentation - too many things trying to get done out of these two sound systems. I won’t go this route again (partly because my friend’s system isn’t available at my beck and call even when I do feel like driving across town to pick it up from her).
The alternative I have is to run the music stuff through my T1 as stated above and then leave all of the spoken word mics and channels to the church sound system. This puts the sound guy back at the sound console in the far house left corner of the sanctuary (NAVE on the blueprint), which is about 100 feet from where we’re set up for music. That means he can’t run sound for my T1, which is putting me back in the position of having to be in charge of sound for our 2 mics and 2 guitars, and that doesn’t work for me. I don’t know, though, if it’s even possible to get the T1 back to the sound console - can I even buy an instrument cable that’s 100 feet long to run from the L1 to the console, and doesn’t that cause delay problems? The only other solution I can think of is to run the mixed sound from the T1 into the church sound system and then have the sound guy deal with the house sound at the back while we basically use the L1 as a monitor, but that seems crazy, and besides, that only gives the sound guy control of the premixed volume, not of the individual channels on the T1.
What am I not thinking of, or what other solutions can anyone suggest? Your help is so welcomed, as always…
quote:Originally posted by VinsGirl:
...putting me back in the position of having to be in charge of sound for our 2 mics and 2 guitars, and that doesn't work for me.
.....What am I not thinking of, or what other solutions can anyone suggest?
The value of musical independence is very high on my list of needs when I perform. Most T1 settings can be set it and forget it, leaving you with little to do sound wise with your system and the components connected to it.
In any situation where I intended to keep my L1 in the mix, I would also desire to keep the control of it in my hands.
The T1 mic stand adapter is a great tool to keep the T1 at your finger tips, not only when performing but when rehearsing as well. The more you use it, the more confident and knowledgeable you become, and the stress level goes down when confidence comes up.
With the Classic, after connecting the T1, you have three additional channels (2mic 1 line) that can be controlled from your stage position with the remote.
If you really want to give up control and still use the L1 you could investigate the following.
Assuming there is a snake with available leads to the house mixer, you could connect your mics and instruments to those at the stage and use them to get the signal to the T1 positioned at the sound booth, and quite possibly the mixed signal back to the L1 on stage.
I would speak to the most experienced sound man in the Church for information on this idea.
There are long leads available for the feed from the T1, but in this case I would probably use the analog master out through a monitor cable in the snake to get the signal back to the stage and connected to the L1 powerstand.
O..
Sort of saying the same thing in different words …
If the ‘house’ sound has enough connections up in the front, the the simplest for you might be to plug all of your mics & instruments into their system, and take a single mix back from the ‘house’ console into the L1.
Back at the ‘house’ console, the T1 could still be used for “your” connections if you have all the EQ and other settings “just right” to get the sound you expect. Then, the Master out from the T1 would go back to the front and into the L1 for your monitoring sound; whether it would also to into the ‘house’ system would be up to the sound tech.
There are a few potential issues which could get in the way of this approach:
1) Not having 4 connections back to the ‘house’ console (the 2 mics and 2 guitars).
2) Not having a spare connection from the ‘house’ console back to the front for the L1.
3) “Hum” … might need DI box or two or three (on the 1/4" connections) to provide isolation for the guitars and/or the connection back into the L1.
An alternative would be for you to run the T1 from up front, taking the pre-amp outs from the T1 for channels 1-3, and a “Y” for the 4th channel into a DI box, to give “your” 4 inputs to the house to do as they wish, but you just keep your monitoring sound as you are comfortable with hearing – which mostly ought to be “set and forget” because you are not worrying about “filling the room” … just set the volume for yourselves.
Yet another alternative would be a of wireless connection from the Aux out of the T1 to the ‘house’; everything else local. That gives the sound tech the least to work with, but is simple to set up IF they have such a possibility.
Hey, guys - thanks so much for responding. In truth, it does sound ridiculously involved to try and make this happen for a system that is designed for me to be able to do by myself what I’m trying to hand off to someone else. O., I think you hit the nail on the head: it’s mostly a crisis of confidence for me. I actually have no problem using the system by myself with guitar and vocals; it’s when I add my music partner into the picture that I start to feel really frustrated. Part of that is that his after-market pickup had been sounding absolutely horrendous, and of course the L1 is merciless with something like that because it reproduces the sound so clearly. I’m working on solving that problem; we’ve been having the church sound guy mic his guitar in the meantime. As I think about it, the other part is that I just need to deal with the sort of “relational” problem straight up here - he played a lot of loud music for a lot of years (insert phrasing here about simultaneous use of controlled and uncontrolled substances) and does not hear very well as a result and fairly frequently complains to me that I sound louder than he does. What that basically means is that we are in balance and he doesn’t have the ability to turn himself up to 11 so he’s blaring out in front of me 
We tried using 2 L1’s in December (mentioned previously) and I didn’t really feel like it made any difference for him. I think I just need to work that out with him personally, which we are always able to do, and generally it only involves minimal weeping and gnashing of teeth on my part It was just easier when I could have him blame someone else for that “problem” - namely, the sound guy - and have that someone else tell him that it wasn’t an accurate representation of reality.
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LOL!quote:Originally posted by VinsGirl:
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Great line!