hi all,finally managed to join the forum after months of checking in.
my partner is a vocalist who performs to backing tracks but also plays guitar.
we currently have an l1 model 2 and 2 compacts,we use a behringer 1622 mixer and a senhieser g3 wireless mic.
we usually run the system with the model 2 on the l/r chanell out and the 2 compacts via a splitter to the remaining out channel.
does this sound ok?,i am new to the bose system but have a little knowledge from using conventional pa systems.
i would love to know what the experts think on how best to set up for basic vocals and backing tracks,
she is also forming a tribute act with a band,drummer,bass and guitar and 3 vocals
we are looking into getting a larger mixer for this and would love to hear your views on how best to use the system.
FOOTNOTE,
a great forum,i have found out so much since visiting
Hi maz, welcome to membership in the forum, glad to have you here after all this time!
It looks like you have picked some nice gear from the L1 line up, I also have MIIs, and Compacts, but use only T1 Tonematch mixers.
How are you using the 1622, are you sending certain vocals/sounds to certain systems, or mono into all?
What kind of venues are you playing, and what kind of music?
Are things working out for you so far, are you getting positive audience reaction to your sound?
Any problems?
Personally, I’m not a fan of third party mixers with L1 gear, but many here use them.
It is a cheap alternative with lots of inputs for the money.
The sacrifice is that you lose the T1s built in presets that make a huge difference toward simplifying good sound.
I would highly recommend a couple of them for your purposes…one for the L1, and one for the Compacts.
Coincidentally, I just did my first gig last night using a Model II and two compacts!
It’s a set up I’ve never tried before and wanted to see how it would work.
I had made a Sketcher of the intended setup before the gig to get some advice from ST.
It went pretty well, I had some problems with monitoring, and made adjustments throughout the night.
You can see the sketch Here.
It’s the sketch titled "Throw-together Gig"
Is your setup similar to mine in the way I routed the ins and outs?
My plan with this setup was to use the Model II for kick drum & keys, low freq. sounds, as well as backing vocals.
Then use the Compacts for the two guys that I thought were going to be lead singing.
hi drumr,thanks for the reply.
at the moment the 1622 is just running the bose as a normal pa,ie,left output to mII,and right output to the 2 compacts,with a splitter lead.
everything panned slightly to the mII which is positioned at the rear to provide monitoring?,the 2 compacts are foh.
at the moment the the sound does seem to be working well and comments are good,music varies from queen and guns and roses through to pop and r&b stuff.
incidently i did try running the 2 compacts as left and right with the mII on the monitor out on the mixer,but didnt work very well,
the size of venue varies from gig to gig,but on average the rooms are probably seating around 400 or so,audiences can get quite loud so always seem tostruggle to get the volume needed to over come them in larger venues,DO I HAVE ENOUGH POWER WITH THE 1 MII AND THE 2 COMPACTS???.
the t1 does look to be a great addition but funds wont allow at the moment,also when the band gets a gig 1 t/match wont be enough inputs etc.
as for the band set up,how would you recomend i go about it?,it will be 3 vox,bass guitar,lead guitar and drums.
i’m thinking i am going to need some powered monitors for the band set up?,
have never done sound for a band before,plenty of practise with individual vox and backing track stuff though.
really want to get this right,adore the versatility and sound the bose gives,just want to be getting the best i can from it.
cheers
maz
quote:at the moment the 1622 is just running the bose as a normal pa,,ie,,left output to mII,,and right output to the 2 compacts,with a splitter lead.
The main problem with this is that the Compact does not "throw" sound as far as the Model II, so if different signals go left or right, the right side signals might fall short at the back of the room.
The secondary problem might be a loss of power due to phase cancellation between the Compacts, running Dual Mono. Check out the link in the wiki.
quote:as for the band set up, how would you recomend i go about it? it will be 3 vox, bass guitar, lead guitar and drums.
i'm thinking i am going to need some powered monitors for the band set up?,
I would only avoid the floor monitors as the whole idea of L1s is to be rid of them. Monitors throw sound at the wall/ceiling behind/above the band, and muddy the sound onstage and out front. Personally, I'm thrilled with being done with wedges.
After my gig with the MII and two Compacts last Saturday, I am of the opinion that there is really no GOOD way to use the combination, unless you are sticking to fairly small venues, where the travel of the Compact sound won't dwindle down and be overshadowed by the Model II. Other opinions on this forum might vary, and I am sure some with chime in.
However, if it were me and your gear, I would set up like my trio does, with lead guitarist/singer in the middle, drums on one side, and bass on the other. I would probably make sure the main lead vocalist is center and through the Model II, in the middle of the back wall of the stage, or close to it. I would run the kick drum in the Model II, and the other two vocals, say, the drummer and bassist, into their own compact, behind them on stage.
If two member tend to split up the lead vocals, then I might put them both in the Model II. If you ALL split lead vocals, I think I would still put #2 and #3 into the Compacts on opposites ends of the stage, and use the Compact's Line Out to feed the Model II a little bit of their vocals, to help them "keep up".
Again, I don't think this is a great way to run, but that's what I would (and intend to) do.
I hope that all made sense.
Here's a sketch of what I'm suggesting.
thanks drumr.
i can see what your saying,i’m now thinking that the set up is not going to work for the band unless i had 3 mII’s?.
i think now a conventional pa would be the best way to go?.
the bose l1 family is proving to be a bit of a mind field tbh,
i can see how it would work if every member had their own mII though,the problem i have is that guitar/bass and drums will all be fed through the mixer and only the mII can deliver the required power/coverage but the whole band cant go through 1 system.
hmmmm,time for a rethink.
i will continue to use the 2 compacts with the mII for the wifes solo work in larger rooms but now have some things to think about regarding the dual mono issue.
WOULD I BE BETTER DAISY CHAINING THE COMPACTS FROM THE LINE OUT?.
finding it all a tad difficult to get my head round
quote:i can see how it would work if every member had their own mII though
That is certainly the best scenario, and fortunately, the one I've had for years now.
Our bassist recently dropped his Model II/4-B1 setup to go back to his old combo amp.
Mostly to save labor, and we still sound fine, although a little too bassy according to our video clips.
He now puts his vocal in my L1.
Yes, the big L1 (w/at least 2 B1s) is best for drums, I only mic the kick, have never mic'd overhead, and I've never had a complaint.
I've not tried daisy chaining Compacts.
quote:the problem i have is that guitar/bass and drums will all be fed through the mixer
More thoughts on this...if you are a band that needs to mic the drums, maybe the L1 isn't for you.
I've not had the best luck mic'ing drums, I have read where others have though.
I tried, back in '04, and when the overhead drum level got to where I could hear it, it was feeding back.
I tried single overhead condenser mics, and dual dynamic mics, one close to the floor tom, aimed across it at the hihat, and another above the rack tom aimed toward the snare, as suggested by Bose and some others.
It never really worked for me...so we just turned the band down overall, and got on with it.
Id suggest, you try using the single L1 for vocals only, and make sure the band falls in line behind it, volume-wise.
Also...to get more vocal gain, lips on the mic, kill the effects.
I know, not having reverb is a touchy subject around here, but you really can get way more gain, and your vocals can still sound great, even though you might feel a little naked at first.
Hey mas,
Check out this post by a new forum member, using the L1 for a few months now. He’s found an improvement by buying a T1.
cheers for that link.
i can see how the t1 helps with mic presets etc but in all honesty i have never had a problem with the behringer,gain staging is good,mic preamps are good and feedback has never been a problem,the only issue i have is the bose l1 systems will not go loud enough for my needs,however,if all 3 guitarists/vocals had their own then yes i think it would work very well,tbh,i really dont want to get rid of it but i can only afford one pa that has to be able to cope with the band and the wifes solo work