Hi. I just started using my new L-1 Model 2 with the T-1 for solo gigs. I have been using the Helcion harmonizer and wondered how I should set it up with the T-1. I have it plugged into channel 1 with an out from the harmonizer. This means my guitar and mic is plugged into the harmonizer and I can’t get a separate EQ for the guitar. Any suggestions?
Hi Randy,
I’m not familiar with your TC Helicon Harmonizer, but could you do this?
Run the guitar to T1® Channel 2 and do whatever EQ’ing and processing your want, AND take a cable from the Channel 2 Preamp out (directly below it Channel 2 input) and run that to the harmonizer guitar input.
Run the microphone to the harmonizer as you are doing now and take the line out from there to the T1® Channel 1.
The real question is - can you get a signal out of the harmonizer that does NOT include the guitar? If so, then I think the idea above could work for you.
Thank you ST I will give that a try. There is a guitar effects knob that I have turned off and maybe I could use the T-1 like an effects pedal. Thanks again.
There should be a “Thru” jack on your Helicon unit that will allow separate outputs for your vocals and the guitar. Then you can use two channels on your T1 separately for each.
I’ve owned two TC Helicon Harmonizers (Harmony G-XT and the VoiceLive 2) and they both had this arrangment.
1 what Sundog said - there is a Thru on the TC Helicon that will provide a guitar out - with that, you can plug the guitar straight into the Harmonizer, then the Thru into Channel 2 of the T1.
Thanks everyone!
Hi SunDog (John) and Tom the Guitar Guy,
I don’t have one of these TC Helicon units, but I was wondering if you had tried this signal path…
Guitar to T1® (e.g. Channel 2) and T1® Channel 2 Preamp out to TC Helicon guitar input.
I am wondering if this sounds different. The rationale for doing this is so that the amplified guitar signal does not pass through the TC Helicon unit.
If you have a chance to try this does it make any audible difference?
Thanks
quote:Originally posted by ST:
Hi SunDog (John) and Tom the Guitar Guy,
I don't have one of these TC Helicon units, but I was wondering if you had tried this signal path...
Guitar to T1® (e.g. Channel 2) and T1® Channel 2 Preamp out to TC Helicon guitar input.
I am wondering if this sounds different. The rationale for doing this is so that the amplified guitar signal does not pass through the TC Helicon unit.
If you have a chance to try this does it make any audible difference?
Thanks
Plugging the guitar directly into the TC Helicon unit, there is no amplified guitar signal.
If I've read the Owner Manual for the Harmonizer correctly, by using the thru port, it does not mix the guitar signal in with the vocal mic signal (the Guitar Level knob is inactive). However, if you don't have a cable connected to the thru output, then the Harmonizer will add (blend) in the guitar signal into the same output as the vocal mic - which would then be processed by the Preset on the T1.
By passing it through the T1 first, and then the Harmonizer, it will add the guitar through to channel 1 of the T1 (vocal) because there isn't a cable plugged into the thru.
Hope that made sense.
Thanks ST!
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the reply.
quote:Originally posted by Tom the Guitar guy:
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Plugging the guitar directly into the TC Helicon unit, there is no amplified guitar signal.
I was thinking that running the guitar to the TC Helicon unit, and then taking the guitar output from TC Helicon unit, that there may be some unintended impact of the signal passing through the TC Helicon.
What I meant by amplified guitar signal is (using the connections described earlier in this discussion) that the TC Helicon unit is in the signal chain between the guitar and the T1® and that signal chain is amplified.
I was wondering if things sounded different if you routed the guitar to the T1® and ran a line from the T1® to the TC Helicon unit (taking it out of the signal path).
quote:
If I’ve read the Owner Manual for the Harmonizer correctly, by using the thru port, it does not mix the guitar signal in with the vocal mic signal (the Guitar Level knob is inactive). However, if you don’t have a cable connected to the thru output, then the Harmonizer will add (blend) in the guitar signal into the same output as the vocal mic - which would then be processed by the Preset on the T1.
By passing it through the T1 first, and then the Harmonizer, it will add the guitar through to channel 1 of the T1 (vocal) because there isn’t a cable plugged into the thru.
Hope that made sense.
Thanks ST!
That did make sense. To really test this scenario (no guitar through the TC Helicon), you would need a dummy plug to put in the TC Helicon guitar through output.
I think we are in the realm of discussions about “true-bypass” in some pedals/processors.
At some level I suppose that everything makes a difference, but whether or not you can hear that difference is another matter.
ST
I never have tried what you suggested. At the same time I only ever had one noise issue with my Helicon products - and I described that in a thread a while back - about turning the guitar and aux inputs off when not in use (VoiceLive 2 issue -not applicable to the G or G-XT).
I’ve never sensed that having a properly set up Helicon unit btw my guitar and the T1 was causing any perceivable signal degredation or adding noticable noise.