We’re a church meeting in a fairly wide room (~120’ wide x 50’) with a fairly small stage (10’ wide and 5’ length). We’ve used a traditional PA system but we also have 2 L1’s (one classic and one model 1) with a total of 4 B1 modules ( A1 amplifier for using > 2 B1s with either L1) that we’d like to try out.
We have, at most,
-4 vocalists (2 of them with acoustic guitars)
-a drum or cajon
-keyboard
-an electric with an mesa amp mic-ed which we are considering replacing with a pedal board /DI box to better control the volume and noise bleed-over
-bass connected directly to the PA via a sansamp DI box.
-24 channel Mackie Mixer with the assortment of rack modules (eqs, compressors, etc.)
-Our pastor with either a lapel or a countryman e6 headset mic.
I wanted to get some feedback as to what ppl think would be the best set up. I’ve got a sketch of how things currently look but here are some ideas we’re considering:
A. Having the vocals all be routed through one L1 (perhaps the L1 closest to the drums/electric/bass) so they can hear the voices better and all the instruments be routed through the other L1 and have 3 or 4 B1s attached to it. We would be concerned with coverage laterally (even with 160 degrees of dispersion) for both band members and audience on the sides.
B. Since the room is wide enough, we could place the L1s >= 20ft apart and route mono signals to each. This would give us good coverage for both the audience and all the band members who are spread out but would be concerned about feedback esp. for our pastor.
I’ve included a diagram which is obviously not to scale and doesn’t show the width of the room but should give a general sense of the challenges we have.
Thanks again in advance for any advice/feedback!
Hi jp12345,
Thank you for joining the Forum.
One quick question first…
Does the seating go all the way to the walls or is there a gap or aisle between the seating and the walls.
I’m trying to visualize the maximum distance between the L1®s and the people seated farthest away.
Thanks for using the Sketcher. That helped.
ST
Hi ST. Thanks for responding! I have to correct my previous measurements as I was totally off. The room is more like 50’ wide x 20’ with a stage that’s 5’x8’. There are aisles between sections of chairs (the attached diagram should illustrate) and they do not go all the way to the walls. I would say the distance from the L1 to the furthest corner of ppl would be no more than 25’. A concern we had with routing different audio sources to each L1 as recommended is that because the angle, certain band members were finding it harder to hear the sound from the opposite L1, hence, our consideration of spreading them a part in a dual mono configuration. We thought that this would also help general coverage for the audience in the corner area of the opposite L1.
Some other helpful pics for context.
Hi jp12345,
Thank you for the updates and the pictures. I’ll be back to you soon with some ideas.
ST
Hi jp12345,
Are the musicians on the stage or are they on the floor?
Are the vocalists generally over on the left side as you’ve shown in the Sketch?
Are the instruments (drums, bass, electric guitar) on the right?
From this picture (below) it looks like the stage is fairly low, perhaps less than a foot tall. And you have the L1®s on either side of the stage, not on it. Is that correct?
ST
Thanks so much ST. Right now, we’ve been experimenting with having one pair (guitar w/ vocal and another vocal) on each side of the stage (which is, as you noticed, very low, <~ 6"), but I’m thinking the layout as sketched might be better with one pair on the left part of the stage and the 2nd pair on the floor beside them with all the instruments (except for the kb) on the other side, on the floor. We’re not married to any specific layout of the band so if you have recommendations, we can certainly try it out.
The L1s we’ve been positioning on the stage right beside the screen contrary to what is shown in the pic which shows them on the floor beside the stage (again we have the freedom to relocate them). We thought having them more “central” would allow for the better sound dispersion for those on the opposite end of the stage and at the opposite end of the room.
jp
jp
Hi jp12345,
Here are some general ideas to consider.
In a room 50 feet wide and a 8 foot stage in the middle, I might try something like this.
The vocal on stage is the Pastor with the E6 microphone. Do you have the E6 directional version? If not, I’d recommend getting it to help with feedback issues.
To help with monitoring I have turned the L1®s in toward the centre - just a little bit.
I would pan things hard left or hard right (nothing up the middle). Have each source (microphone or instrument) heard through only one L1®, the closest one. Panning things across the stage can seem odd to the audience and make monitoring a challenge.
It seems counter intuitive, but you may find that you have fewer problems with feedback for the Pastor’s microphone if you route it through only one L1®.
That’s a start. I’ll wait for your replies to the questions in my previous post and then refine these ideas to suit.
ST
Hi ST. I think there’s a slight delay in my responses because I think my post have to go through moderation, but I’m looking at your sketch and I wanted to confirm that you have the vocals/guitars on the floor in front of the stage. Do you have a recommended distance from the nearest L1 (perhaps 5’ or so)?
And just to confirm that each L1 would have 2 B1s? The sketch doesn’t show that the kick drum is usually mic’ed and was wondering if adding a B1 would make that much of a difference to add a low-end punch.
As for the e6, we just ordered it and I opted for the omnidirectional because it sounded like the directional might be too sensitive to placement but let me see if I can return/exchange accordingly.
Thank you,
jp