What would you like to see next?
Nicely Done! ST, I always appreciate your posts and insight on all things audio...
Hi Harry,
I can't take credit for the graphic. That's from Bose Professional.
What would you like to see next?
ST
Battery powered multiple channel mixers should be next.
I want a cross between the S1 and the Compact. It should have bass response down to 40hz, 4 S1 type channels, phantom power, remote control of individual channel eq and volume, have volume/coverage/power capabilities that exceed the Compact, hard wired outs geared toward recording. Keep the multi position capabilities of both cabinets. Might have to sacrifice S1 tilt back floor configuration to allow stability for Compact style raised array.
Retain battery only if cost of battery can be the same as S1 and life is still in the 6 plus hour range.
O..
There’s been a lot of S1 enhancement ideas in another post. So trying not repeating those items, It would be nice to be able control the S1’s mixer section from an app on a smart device.
Since the S1 is so portable, I find myself placing it at gigs in a variety of places which sometimes forces me to go back and forth from the unit to where I’m positioned to play to make adjustments. This may encourage use of a separate, centralized mixer to the S1 which, of course, complicates the setup and obviates some of the S1’s portability advantages.
Having an app vs hard controls might also allow some extra flexibility for the EQ such as having more ToneMatch choices or a Mid control.
Assuming wireless access, and not being aware of the power drain or reliability issues this might introduce, I fear this could have a negative impact on battery life and I wouldn’t want to see that happen. However, several competitors out there have done this with battery powered systems so it’s certainly possible. Question is, is it practical. I leave it to the Bose gurus to answer that! ??
What would I like to see next? I agree with "oldghm" a bit bigger S1 Pro but that also has a matching sub with integrated stands, sort of a mini F1 system with top and sub. I currently use S1 Pros with small Behringer 500 watt subs for a very small DJ system.
In terms of a bigger S1 with subs, would having some sort of Bose interface from the line out to a B1 or B2 be something that could be a quick solution?
CityFolk, thats a nice idea!
@CityFolk and @Harry , an HPF (High Pass Filter) at 150 Hertz with a 1/4" sub output on the Bose S1 Pro would be an inexpensive add similar things the one on a Kustom PA50.
OK here it goes...
I would like to see Bose offer a new high performance speaker line which is outdoor rated and a step up from the F1 in terms of overall SPL output.
First cabinet I would like to talk about is a main FOH top box. They should be capable of a peak SPL of 135 db (or more). I also think this new box should have double twelve inch drivers giving the user more energy to the low-mids allowing for stronger reproduction of the frequencies in 300-100 Hz range where most of the lower information of rack toms and and snare reside. This speaker would not be used as a full range box and only needs to go down to about 75 Hz from there on subs in the system do all the heavy lifting when it comes to the bass frequencies.
I think it would also be beneficial to have the high frequency driver(s) only on the top of the box so that they can be raised over the head level of the crowd... basically more of a long throw design than the F1 812 series. These main FOH tops should be able to be pole mounted or ground stacked on top of the subs depending on how the user would like top configure the system. If use in ground stacked configuration it would be awesome if these speakers could be attached some how to the subs when there are at least to subs per side.
I think this series should be available in both passive and active formats... perhaps only the passive versions would be outdoor rated. *Look at all the cheap Bluetooth speakers that are water proof.. I don't think it would be that hard.
I also think the dispersion angle of these new high performance speakers should be something like 70x50 or 75X40 allowing the user to get them closer together before having phasing issues... I would also like to see at launch recommendations from Bose on more scale-able options allowing the user to use two to three tops per side for larger shows. Perhaps this would require the boxes to have a more traditional HF driver to eliminate phasing issues... I would be OK with that as long as they had a lower crossover point like say 1.2 kHz to keep the vocals sounding clean. BTW Bose uses multiple HF drivers in there top of the line line arrays... perhaps use one of those.
It would be nice to see these main FOH top boxes coming in at around 65 lbs (or less).
The subs offered in this new series should be able at least to hit 130 db (or more) and be able to comfortably go down to 32 Hz. Perhaps single 18" neodymium driver would be a good idea, allowing the weight and size to be kept to a minimum. The sub should be able to be stacked with at three high. The subs should lock together to create a solid foundation for the main FOH speakers.
It would be neat to see the subs be made of some new space-age dense polymer that would not sacrifice any performance. If wood has to be used it should be something like 13-ply birch plywood with internal bracing for both strength and longevity of use. The wood should have a durable finish that is extremely scratch resistant.
The sub should come in at 80 lb (or less).
The boxes in this series should be ergonomically made, having the handles in the proper locations for easy transport. The grills should be heavy duty as to not be dented easily. Caps on the corners would be nice if the cabinets are made of wood for added protection.
I would like to see this line come with basic padded slip covers with deluxe bags available at launch for an additional fee.
If passive boxes are offered it would be nice if Bose provided tuning data for the to allow the user to dial in the optimal settings for each cabinet with say a popular amp such as a Crown XTI 4002.
I feel price of these should be around $1500 or $2000 each for the tops/subs depending if you are wanting passive or active cabinets. This price point would allow people to buy a starter set like two subs and two tops and expand as they wish.
Perhaps Bose could use this line to introduce a new high powered floor wedge similar to the current F1 812 is size but having the proper angle to be used in this way. Perhaps this box may also need to utilize a traditional HF driver to get the vocals up over a noisy stage.
I feel this speaker line would be great for mid sized live sound company owners like my self looking to expand, but do not have the funds/needs to invest in a large line array systems that Bose is offering. I believe this new series could also be successfully deployed by touring bands... the ones that are big, but not quite national acts. These bands typically require more overall volume than F1 series can provide. I feel there is a definite gap in the speaker lines that Bose currently offers. This gap unfortunately excludes the mid sized sound company's/"semi pro" bands that would like to be able to do outdoor shows for crowds of 750-1500 people with the adequate headroom needed in these live environments.
...well you asked.
From my perspective, it appears that a lot of folks are really liking the portability and ease of set up with battery power and wireless. This just seems like the logical next step in the evolution.
That said, I'd like to see the following if possible:
- The ability to use B1 or B2 units with S1.
- Battery Power for the ToneMatch mixers.
- ToneMatch Mixers with some form of wireless output to the S1s. BlueTooth seems to be the obvious choice but there may be other alternatives.
I think @KingBiscuit hit the nail on the head ... as a solo performer I would REALLY like to use my T1 with my S1. How much power does the T1 need? Is it realistic to expect that a battery solution is feasible?
I don't have one but I like the idea of the Turbosound IP2000 V2 . .. a B2 type sub with ability to mount the two radiators in it with double the current power offering and at least 18 mid highs in the radiators... 24 if separate from the new B2. With 3-4 channels built in w at least reverb and EQ per channel
Nice discussion , good to see people getting very specific with their desires /requests
I own & L1 compact & an (new for me) F1 one system - for me ATM its hard for me to imagine something sounding better than the F1 - definately the best sound speak/sub combo I`ve owned yet IMHO
I did try out an S1 pro and didnt retain is because for me it just didnt have enough low end thump - I play with a bass stomp on the floor and do some aggressive palm slapping on the bridge of my acoustic , as much as I wanted to like it the S1 Pro fell short in being able to bring out the low end detail .....so more of that in your next build please Mr Bose 🙂
I own a T1 & a TS8- for me I would most definately like to see remote control on the next mixer (or possibly even this one if a suitable software upgrade can be created) - remote control should standard on all digital mixers in this day & age , its a feature I find invaluable (having previously used a QSC touchmix 16)
more eq(room tunning) & more scene saving options would also be appreciated (again spoiled by QSC)
Thank you bose for making these discussions possible & listenning to your customers
peace 🙂
So at the beginning of this thread I suggested a S1 Pro plus. Something to fit between the Compact and a Model II or F1. S1 style only bigger.
The S1 has become my favorite of the Bose systems. Not because it does everything, it doesn't, but because I use it almost every day.
Now I want to go in the other direction. I want a S1 Jr. A friend was over the other day and we were looking at the S1. He asked about the array inside and the Compact was sitting right there so I pulled the array out of the base and handed it to him with a flashlight. As we talked and compared I began to think, Could Bose put three of those little speakers from the Compact in a cabinet half the size of the S1? Could they get the same sound, perhaps less volume or area coverage, but the same sound?
I was thinking about motorcycle camping. Picnics on the creek. Busking. Entertaining in 400 sq ft or less.
What do you think?
O..
Hello, Oldghm.
Please see this new discussion for your question.
S1 Pro Junior - would you use one?
Thank you,
Bose Pro Community Admin
Being primarily a wedding DJ, portibility has always been key. A small car, the easy load in and set up has been great.
The compacts took the portability to a new level. Cocktail hours, ceremonies, and then the ability to do smaller gigs like retail, office gigs, karaoke, backyard parties even easier. Also using the compact for fill when needed was great too.
The S1 has stepped it up even more. The battery powered just adds to the simplicity. Had a few days this year when I did 2 gigs in a day. Being able to have the S1's on their own power just made the set up, placement decision, and tear down so much easier. Bluetooth is handy too. I think the Bluetooth standard has more improvements to make, but will become more and more important In the future to what I do. Ceremonies are much simpler without needing power.
With this in mind, I'd be interested in more portable options. Bass bins, T1, blue tooth.
I've loved all of the products so far. The only one I haven't used is the F1's. They don't fit into my portable needs??
How about a new L1 model 3 with much more power. I always liked the line array set up but when I had the model 2 setup I found there were some loud bars I played in where this system didn't quite cut it. Well let's cut to the chase … I was told by other musician friends that we could barely be heard at the back of the bar. I found in other rooms where the L2 worked well, the volume was pretty much as far up as I was comfortable putting it like 2:00 - 3:00. I think I would like a system, assuming it's even possible, where you can play a noisy bar, cover the room nicely and have lots or power to spare. I think it would make sense to have the array plug directly into the subs as well. I'm also envisioning the ability to use either one or 2 pieces on each side, with the subs able to either lay on their side when using both line arrays or standing up when using a single for the ultimate flexibility in use.
THere is a more powerful L1 .. except they don't make it any more.. I use one classic for small gigs and two of them with packlite for bigger gigs. I use my Model 2 for rooms no bigger than a good sized living room