Hi, I have am very close to purchasing the Bose L1 System two with a 2 Base, and also the Bose T4S Tonematch.
I know this will work as a solo system, but I also have a duo and my duo partner wants to buy the exact same system to use in a solo also.
But when we are a duo, how can we link both together and using the two Tonematch T4S modules and our 2 x L1 and Base 2's together.
We don't particularly want to have another mixer in the middle, we want to utilize the technology of the Tonematch T4S modules.
Is there a way to daisy chain them both this way?
Thanks, Adam
The best way to use your two systems - is to keep them separated. There's nothing to be gained by linking them together, and you will likely compromise the overall performance. Check out this video. You'll find that running them separately is how they were intended to be used.
That's so AWESOME, I was thinking that is how they were to be used, but now I know, thanks so much.
And so to make them for a larger audience (as I read they work up to 500 people for one) which is most cases for us as the duo, do you just add more bass modules to get extra loudness for bigger crowds?
That's so AWESOME, I was thinking that is how they were to be used, but now I know, thanks so much.
Great. I'm glad that made sense.
And so to make them for a larger audience (as I read they work up to 500 people for one) which is most cases for us as the duo, do you just add more bass modules to get extra loudness for bigger crowds?
We need a little more information.
Are both planning to get B2 bass modules?
Please tell us about the kind of music you will be performing, where you'll be performing, and what people in the audience will be doing.
You still need wired power to the wireless Sennheiser receivers.
Also, from my experience, the wireless output from 1 speaker or mixer to another speaker is weak, inconsistent and subject to inteference from time to time. I tested that with the Xvive wireless transmission system and was disappointed. Nothing beats the consistency and reliability of the old fashion wire connection I guess. Good luck.
I'm probably looking at the Boss WL20 or Sennheiser solutions for the connection which are from my research a little better than Xvive, and the WL20 or XSW-D solutions don't need any power to them, as the receivers are battery powered and a new solution for portability.
My "Main" concern is however, will the output from the first Bose S1, be a mirror relay of what's happening on the second one that is connected? i.e. music streamed via bluetooth from ipad to first S1, vocals and guitar, will be relayed "post effects" to the second S1
This is the main thing I need to know, if the wireless doesn't work, then there's always cables to go back to.
Setting aside the wired/wired question, let me address this.
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3. I want to get a good mix from this first speaker, then I want to insert a Boss WL20 wireless transmitter from the output of the first S1 and a Boss WL20 wireless receiver into the second S1 and run a mirror image of the first speaker mix all wirelessly.
My question is, does the "output" of these S1's run exactly what is coming out of the first main speaker, even if Bluetooth music is only setup to stream to the first main speaker mix?
The S1 Pro Line Out provides the combined input of channels 1, 2, and 3 (that's Bluetooth audio or Aux in).
If you connect the Line Output of the first S1 Pro to one of the inputs on a second S1 Pro, you will get the same output from both.
Here is how you would set things up using a wired connection
I haven't tried doing this with a Boss WL-20, but I attended a presentation at Roland, and I asked them about compatibility with balanced connections because the Line Output of S1 Pro is balanced, and ideally, you would use a balanced connection to the second S1 Pro.
Note the 1/4 inch (6.3 mm) Tip-Ring-Sleeve connections. They told me the ring connection was for pairing the transmitter/receiver (not for balanced audio). We weren't able to try this for connecting two S1 Pro systems. If it works, you'll probably have to turn up the input volume on the second S1 Pro to about 12:00 o'clock or higher to get the same volume from both S1 Pro systems.
what I'm scared may happen is, I will link the 2 together and only get voice and guitar out of the second and no music, if this is the case then please let me know before I purchase.
You will get the voice and guitar and music out of both.
im hoping it can be done and is as simple as just hooking up the output to the input on second S1 and a mirror audio relay occurs.
I had no problem running an S1 from about 30 feet away for over 3 hours yesterday using an xVive U3.
So the 2nd S1 was completely on battery and wireless. No dropouts...flawless...
So you would need a TRS 1/4" male to XLR Male balanced cable (from S1 output into xVive transmitter) and then plug the receiver into one of the first 2 channels on the 2nd S1.
Yes, there would be a delay between the first S1 and your second S1. This is just my personal experience with the Xvive system. Perhaps Sennheiser system works better, I don’t now.
Yes, there would be a delay between the first S1 and your second S1. This is just my personal experience with the Xvive system. Perhaps Sennheiser system works better, I don’t now.
Hi Duke ... Curious to know what kinda delay you've experienced. From whatever video's & reports I've seen online the delay seems acceptable & virtually unnoticeable ... within the 5 msec range.
Could you kindly throw some more light on this?
BTW I just committed to Xvice U3 & U4 ... orders have been placed & paid for.
In my kine of DJ'ing, I plan on using the Xvive for wireless speakers: a) either from my Mixer to Speakers ... or b) from my 1st set of FOH speakers to the delay set midway down the hall venue.
I'm probably looking at the Boss WL20 or Sennheiser solutions for the connection which are from my research a little better than Xvive, and the WL20 or XSW-D solutions don't need any power to them, as the receivers are battery powered and a new solution for portability.
My "Main" concern is however, will the output from the first Bose S1, be a mirror relay of what's happening on the second one that is connected? i.e. music streamed via bluetooth from ipad to first S1, vocals and guitar, will be relayed "post effects" to the second S1
This is the main thing I need to know, if the wireless doesn't work, then there's always cables to go back to.
I too did a lot of R&D on the Sennheiser XSW-D solutions which were highly similar to the Xvive U3, but couldn't find any proper videos & reviews on it as compared to the Xvive online.
I did like that the XSW-D touted a greater range (i believe almost 250 ft). And that you can mute/unmute the mic from both ends.
However, there wasn't any documentation/reviews whether the XSW-D could be used for a wireless speaker solution (and this was my primary requirement). If you know of any way the XSW-D could be used for wireless speakers, I'd be interested. The Xvive can be switched between mic & line, whereas the XSW-D seems to support only mic levels.
There are other XSW-D variants that support Guitar, etc. but nothing explicitly for line levels.
Thanks guys this REALLY helps me out :-)... Truly appreciate it and looking forward to trying it out when my S1's arrive.
When I use my S1 Pro systems for a duo, I put the S1 Pros slightly behind and to the side of each performer. I run them separately.
Player One plays sings and plays guitar through S1 Pro #1
Player Two plays sings and plays guitar through S1 Pro #2
Note: No mixer required.
I don't connect the S1 Pro systems together. This lets us (the performers) have complete and independent control of our sound, and the audience enjoys the Cocktail Party Effect (follow the link to learn more).
We're typically no more than five feet apart. The S1 Pros are no more than eight to ten feet apart.
I don't use backing tracks, but if I did, I would use a tablet or phone or other device running iOS or Android using the Bose Connect app. The Bose Connect app lets you run in Party Mode (two S1 Pro systems get the same mono signal) or Stereo Mode (one S1 Pro gets the left side of the stereo signal, the other S1 Pro gets the right side of the stereo signal).
I don't know if your iPod will run the app, but you can follow the link below to learn more.
I have experienced NO discernible latency using my U3 wireless from Mixer to S1 up to 40 feet away.
Last weekend we used a U3 for a wireless microphone (outdoors - line of sight) that was at least 200' away from the receiver and it worked fine.
One time I forgot the power supply for my QSC mixer and my partner and I had to use a single S1 for each of us (vocal/guitar each) on our 5 hour Farmer's market gig. The coverage of the market wasn't as good as when we use the mixer and both units but it was adequate. Of course I streamed the music in between sets using the Party mode from the app on my phone.
But I MUCH prefer being able to mix the entire show from the mixer (or iPad) sitting right next to me rather than running back and forth and climbing around separate S1s to get the mix right.
But I MUCH prefer being able to mix the entire show from the mixer (or iPad) sitting right next to me rather than running back and forth and climbing around separate S1s to get the mix right.
Most of my musical collaborations are with Bose L1 owners so we're all used to being responsible for our sound within the context of the larger mix. Others with whom I play regularly can handle the controls on an S1 Pro. And just like when we play without amplification - we create the mix by managing ourselves as individuals within the mix.
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PS - Jump to 15:00 to hear Cliff talk about the benefits of each musician running through his/her own sound system. Although he was talking about using the L1 systems, in smaller settings we get the same benefits with L1 Compacts and the S1 Pro systems.
But I MUCH prefer being able to mix the entire show from the mixer (or iPad) sitting right next to me rather than running back and forth and climbing around separate S1s to get the mix right.
Most of my musical collaborations are with Bose L1 owners so we're all used to being responsible for our sound within the context of the larger mix. Others with whom I play regularly can handle the controls on an S1 Pro. And just like when we play without amplification - we create the mix by managing ourselves as individuals within the mix.
ST
PS - Jump to 15:00 to hear Cliff talk about the benefits of each musician running through his/her own sound system. Although he was talking about using the L1 systems, in smaller settings we get the same benefits with L1 Compacts and the S1 Pro systems.
Yes, there would be a delay between the first S1 and your second S1. This is just my personal experience with the Xvive system. Perhaps Sennheiser system works better, I don’t now.
Hi Duke ... Curious to know what kinda delay you've experienced. From whatever video's & reports I've seen online the delay seems acceptable & virtually unnoticeable ... within the 5 msec range.
Could you kindly throw some more light on this?
BTW I just committed to Xvice U3 & U4 ... orders have been placed & paid for.
In my kine of DJ'ing, I plan on using the Xvive for wireless speakers: a) either from my Mixer to Speakers ... or b) from my 1st set of FOH speakers to the delay set midway down the hall venue.
And then on some rare occasions as wireless mics.
I experienced a slight delay if I was using the XVive U3 "Line" output from mixer (Yamaha mg10XU) to the spearker S1 Pro. The XVive U3 using with microphones is fine and works great, but for me, there's a slight delay when I tried to connect wirelessly from mixer to speaker using it. How do I know there's a delay? Because I used a wired connection from mixer to one speaker I have which is L1 Compact and then tried to use the XVive U3 to connect wirelessly to another speaker S1 Pro where I want to set it at the back of a small room not far from the mixer. There's a slight delay that annoys me. Also, for some reason, the XVive U3 "Line" output gives a weak signal which forced me to crank up more volume comparing to the wired connection. May be if you connect from the mixer wirelessly to all speakers using the Xvive U3 system, all the delays to the speakers would be equal, then you won't be able to tell.
Some feedback, after a good month or so of using the new Bose L1 System II and B2 Base with Tonematch 8 and the XSW-D wireless connections they all work a dream, no latency (that I notice) and no dropouts within a 30 metre radius that I roam around with my guitar, everything is crystal clear sound from the stage to the back of the room (and because I'm wireless I can check all this myself).
I love this new system so much, that I actually use a lighter setup in the Bose S1 Pro and daisy chain 4 to 6 of them in mono around the room and put them in differing areas and volumes. This setup goes a step further, as no battery or power needed, no cables as I plugin the Sennheiser XSW-D guitar and headphone wireless system into the first speaker then it's daisy chained out, either via wireless XSW-D Guitar to XLR (you can pair any two of these Sennheiser XSW-D's together for any combination of transmitter and receiver) so in essence the entire system is truly "Cable-Less" no power cables, no guitar or mic cables and no mixer (as it's onboard the S1 Pro).
It was such an awesome sound from the first time we used it and our followers who have been following us around for years, all said the same thing "What have you done to your sound" and "Where are your speakers" we can hear you all throughout the room, but cannot see the speakers.
Because the Bose S1 Pro are such a beautiful looking piece of furniture, they disappear from the room, not only in sound, but in looks also, they simply blend in and we run two on stage pointing out to the audience from a table (not a stand) so we can control the mix, then we daisy chain two more and run them around the floor or on chairs in hidden spots (if there's two of us, as there often is in the duo situation) this then recreates the cocktail party effect.
But to further the cocktail party effect, we mix the 6 x Bose S1 Pro's so that some of my duo partners speakers are on my side, and some of mine are on his, but we are actually running two mono strings of speakers... Equals no feedback, and crystal clear and full sound with incredible bass extension (no, not as good as my Bose L1 System 2 with B2 Bass, that thing is simply incredible) but the bass from those little S1 Pro's is crazy and easily fills a room of up to 200 people when we use 6 of them, anything beyond that the big boy L1 System 2 and bass module come into play.
Hope this helps some of you, but if you buy anything Bose, you simply cannot go wrong.
Some feedback, after a good month or so of using the new Bose L1 System II and B2 Base with Tonematch 8 and the XSW-D wireless connections they all work a dream, no latency (that I notice) and no dropouts within a 30 metre radius that I roam around with my guitar, everything is crystal clear sound from the stage to the back of the room (and because I'm wireless I can check all this myself).
I love this new system so much, that I actually use a lighter setup in the Bose S1 Pro and daisy chain 4 to 6 of them in mono around the room and put them in differing areas and volumes. This setup goes a step further, as no battery or power needed, no cables as I plugin the Sennheiser XSW-D guitar and headphone wireless system into the first speaker then it's daisy chained out, either via wireless XSW-D Guitar to XLR (you can pair any two of these Sennheiser XSW-D's together for any combination of transmitter and receiver) so in essence the entire system is truly "Cable-Less" no power cables, no guitar or mic cables and no mixer (as it's onboard the S1 Pro).
It was such an awesome sound from the first time we used it and our followers who have been following us around for years, all said the same thing "What have you done to your sound" and "Where are your speakers" we can hear you all throughout the room, but cannot see the speakers.
Because the Bose S1 Pro are such a beautiful looking piece of furniture, they disappear from the room, not only in sound, but in looks also, they simply blend in and we run two on stage pointing out to the audience from a table (not a stand) so we can control the mix, then we daisy chain two more and run them around the floor or on chairs in hidden spots (if there's two of us, as there often is in the duo situation) this then recreates the cocktail party effect.
But to further the cocktail party effect, we mix the 6 x Bose S1 Pro's so that some of my duo partners speakers are on my side, and some of mine are on his, but we are actually running two mono strings of speakers... Equals no feedback, and crystal clear and full sound with incredible bass extension (no, not as good as my Bose L1 System 2 with B2 Bass, that thing is simply incredible) but the bass from those little S1 Pro's is crazy and easily fills a room of up to 200 people when we use 6 of them, anything beyond that the big boy L1 System 2 and bass module come into play.
Hope this helps some of you, but if you buy anything Bose, you simply cannot go wrong.
Hi Adam ... Thx for sharing your experience.
Are you using the XSW-D wireless connections to output the signal from your Tonematch to the S1's? ..or.. from your Guitar to the S1's?
I'm basically interested if you're using the XSW-D wireless connections to run "Mixer-to-S1" wirelessly.
