Hi @ST , kindly i need your support as today i tried the new jbl eon compact and it's waaay better than bose.. i didn't expect this at all.. specially in mid range.. i thought will be only better in low end as it has a 8" subwoofer.. but actually it's all better than the bose.. clear voice and great low end bass .. olease i need to know how a 2 way speaker is better than the bose with 3 drivers?.. kindly need your support and facts.. about this .
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Tarek posted:Hi @ST , kindly i need your support as today i tried the new jbl eon compact and it's waaay better than bose.. i didn't expect this at all.. specially in mid range.. i thought will be only better in low end as it has a 8" subwoofer.. but actually it's all better than the bose.. clear voice and great low end bass .. olease i need to know how a 2 way speaker is better than the bose with 3 drivers?.. kindly need your support and facts.. about this .
Thanks
Hi Tarek ...
Re you preferring the sound of the Eon compact ... i guess that's personal taste & it would be difficult to debate on that. I generally find the mids of JBL a tad muddy. This experience you're citing is "out of the box", or did you EQ the speaker to achieve that result? (curious)
Secondly ... Both, the JBL & the Eon Compact are 2-way speakers.
The JBL has one 8" woofer & one 1" Tweeter (mid-hi driver)
whereas:
The Bose has one 6" woofer & three 2.25" HF drivers (for mids & hi's)
Essentially a 2-way or 3-way speaker is determined by the crossover setting which is just Bass Mids/Hi's in both. What's different in the Bose, is that those 3 HF drivers are each angled differently to provide even & wider coverage. IIRC, the S1 Pro has a coverage of 120 degrees ... whereas the JBL 100 degrees. The JBL will thus sound nice on-axis but if you move to the periphery, you'll miss out on the Mids & Hi's as compared to the Bose.
I've been wanting to audition it but Covid bust my plans. The JBL's SPL is 112 vs the S1 Pro's which is 103. The JBL "should" sound louder.
Thx for sharing your experience, because I've heard from a lot of people the JBL isn't as clear and lacks "presence" as compared to the S1. On some YouTube video's I arrived at the same conclusion although those comparisons are just mic'd and don't hold much water.
Did you audition both at a store or do you own both?
Have you tried EQ'ing both to max/best sound of each, to ensure comparisons are made on an even turf?
Hope I've been able to throw some light on your doubts. Would love to hear more on your experience.
Stay Safe ...
Hi, Tarek.
Tarek posted:Hi @ST , kindly i need your support as today i tried the new jbl eon compact and it's waaay better than bose.. i didn't expect this at all.. specially in mid range.. i thought will be only better in low end as it has a 8" subwoofer.. but actually it's all better than the bose.. clear voice and great low end bass .. olease i need to know how a 2 way speaker is better than the bose with 3 drivers?.. kindly need your support and facts.. about this .
Thanks
The JBL EON Compact and the Bose S1 Pro are both two-way systems.
To adequately reproduce a wide range of frequencies with even coverage, most loudspeaker systems employ more than one driver, particularly for higher sound pressure level or maximum accuracy. Individual drivers are used to reproduce different frequency ranges. The drivers are named subwoofers (for very low frequencies); woofers (low frequencies); mid-range speakers (middle frequencies); tweeters (high frequencies); and sometimes supertweeters, optimized for the highest audible frequencies. The terms for different speaker drivers differ, depending on the application. In two-way systems there is no mid-range driver, so the task of reproducing the mid-range sounds is divided between the woofer and tweeter.
Source: Wikipedia - Loudspeaker
The JBL has
The S1 Pro has
| 1 | Speaker Array | Three 2.25" (5.715 mm) high-excursion drivers mounted in a curved Articulated Array®. The three drivers work together for the mid-high frequencies |
| 2 | Woofer | One 6" (152 mm) low-frequency driver mounted behind the three drivers in a curved Articulated Array® |
That explains how both are two-way loudspeakers. You'll find that many compact PA loudspeakers are two-way.
More in a bit,
ST
Hi, Tarek.
Oh, I see Prakash Wadhani and I were typing at the same time. He was faster and has spoken about the things I was about to address.
ST
Hi Tarek, I'm posting this after ST's posts so if it appears out of sync please refer back to his and Prakash's posts.
I spotted a couple of inconsistencies, IIRC the max SPL of the S1 is 109 dB (It is very hard to find detailed specs, this number is not given on the web page or in the manual) the 103 dB quoted is continuous, the JBL figure of 112 is pretty much certainly max (and is incorrectly described as sensitivity in the spec). 9 dB is a very large difference, 3dB is small enough to be more or less irrelevant.
The tweeter in the JBL is an HF driver, they don't quote a crossover frequency but typically it would be around 1200Hz or higher so barely overlapping into the high mids, Bose don't quote a crossover frequency either but it's entirely likely that it's lower as the Bose 'tweeters' are cone speakers rather than horns.
JBLs frequency response figures (of 37.5-20,000 Hz) are meaningless as they don't specify limits (the Bose don't quote figures in the brochure/manual/webpage but if you search hard enough you will find them and they do give limits, IIRC /- 10dB and /- 3dB for the S1)
Now a personal opinion, those who know me on these forums know I am not a Bose 'fanboi' by any stretch but, apart from a couple of specific issues* I do like the S1 Pro (and the L1 series, though I don't own any). However I tried the Eon Compact and S1 Pro side by side at a point when I would gladly have returned my S1 Pro. I really wanted to like the JBL as it has so much going for it, especially the onboard iPad controlled mixer (a huge plus IMHO). But I simply could not get on this the sound, whatever I did to the eq it sounded harsh and 'edgy'. This made it a total non-starter for me, if QSC or Yamaha build something similar in the future I will give it a listen as their house sound is, to my ears, much nicer than JBL.
If you like the JBL sound then buy it, the slightly better LF and built in mixer would make it a no brainer for me but the most important thing about a speaker is the sound and the JBL does not stand up for me.
* The infamous 'battery drain issue' which is, for all practical purposes on my S1s at least, fixed and the less well documented wayward bass, the S1 is remarkably capable when it comes to LF but getting good bass out of a tiny box requires some trickery and, to my ears, the bass ends up over hyped and inconsistent, it is also completely useless for bass guitar at any useful volume, but that's not what I bought it for so that latter is fine.
Thabks for you all 
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Actually i tried them both as my friend bought the jbl and the difference was hugeee the jbl not only louder but it's better and i can't believe how is it better with only tweeter?.. i tried them for more than 5 hrs and the jbl waaaay better , but now i need to know how ,???? i tried many tracks even tracks without bass to make the comparison.. but jbl wins .. thanks .. please me help to know how the jbl is better ??????.
Tarek posted:Thabks for you all
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Actually i tried them both as my friend bought the jbl and the difference was hugeee the jbl not only louder but it's better and i can't believe how is it better with only tweeter?.. i tried them for more than 5 hrs and the jbl waaaay better , but now i need to know how ,???? i tried many tracks even tracks without bass to make the comparison.. but jbl wins .. thanks .. please me help to know how the jbl is better ??????.
Conventional PA speakers use horn loaded tweeters for efficiency, they give more dBs SPL for a given amplifier power and are more directional than a point source so have a longer throw than a cone type speaker. The Eon Compact is a scaled down 'conventional' PA speaker and designed to project to the back of a conventional performance space. The Bose S1 Pro is effectively a scaled down L1 and is designed to do a different job, to fill a small intimate space effectively and give the best quality sound over a wider area close to the 'stage'.
HTH
I've done an AB test with both speakers. Admittedly the JBL has improvements offered the S1 doesn't, but for my ear, yea it's the S1.
It just sounds better, and covers a wider area. All with no "messing around" with controls, as my Wife said. 🙂
@Yendor but i tried both in outdoor and the jbl covered way better as i tried to step back a little and the jbl was much louder and covered more better
Tarek posted:@Yendor but i tried both in outdoor and the jbl covered way better as i tried to step back a little and the jbl was much louder and covered more better
The JBL should project further on axis but will sound less good off axis, the further off axis you get the less good either will sound but the fall of in HF will be less pronounced on the S1. Horses for courses.
I would have loved to have liked the Eon C but it sounded unrefined and harsh to my ears.
Decide if loudness is more important than accuracy/tonal neutrality and base you choice on that.
Well, I really wanted to like the JBL. More capabilities. But, the sound is where I placed my importance. Seems the JBL may be louder, but the S1 gets plenty loud. I will try it again when I escape lockdown !
Dear all ,
I know that for sure you know much more info than me , but i really tried all type of sounds and comparisons for more than 4-5 hrs and the jbl was way better.. i don't know how , whatbi'm sure of it and it's logic that the s1 should be more accurate and clearer.. but what i found that the jbl was better.. and i really need to know how it's better? And tried to go far from the speaker and the jbl sounded better and louder.. even in music and vocals (without any bass) the jbl sounded more clear and louder, so i need to know how could it be? ?????? i know that i asked many times for the same question but i still couldn't find the answer.. all of u told me that s1 pro should sound better but i didn't find so .. i need to know how.. and ehat is the tricky way to set the s1 pro bass? Please help it's really bad..
Thanks alot for ur help
Hi, Tarek.
You have heard from people who have used both the JBL and Bose S1 Pro. There are lots of reasons why people prefer one over the other. The technical differences don't explain the preferences, but they make for interesting conversation.
You like what you like. We can't tell you why, and most of us won't try to change your mind.
ST
Tarek posted:Dear all ,
I know that for sure you know much more info than me , but i really tried all type of sounds and comparisons for more than 4-5 hrs and the jbl was way better.. i don't know how , whatbi'm sure of it and it's logic that the s1 should be more accurate and clearer.. but what i found that the jbl was better.. and i really need to know how it's better? And tried to go far from the speaker and the jbl sounded better and louder.. even in music and vocals (without any bass) the jbl sounded more clear and louder, so i need to know how could it be? ?????? i know that i asked many times for the same question but i still couldn't find the answer.. all of u told me that s1 pro should sound better but i didn't find so .. i need to know how.. and ehat is the tricky way to set the s1 pro bass? Please help it's really bad..
Thanks alot for ur help
Hi Tarek,
If you read my initial reply, at the very outset I'd mentioned:
1) Re Tonal Quality: Sound is a very personal taste. Think of it as a color ... you may prefer Red, someone else Green, yet another Blue, and so on... so this is non-debatable.
2) Re Volume & Throw:... It's clear that the JBL is louder and will project further. It's an 8" woofer, so will definitely move more air. However, as Sam & ST clarified, although the JBL will project further, it'll sound good mostly on axis as the spread is narrower compared to the S1. The S1 having a wider spread is catering to a shorter distance and will sound more even. Please note my choice of words ... I repeat ... More Even (I'm not saying better ... that's personal taste).
3) EQ'ing: You've not answered my query ... i.e.
Have you tried EQ'ing both to max/best sound of each, to ensure comparisons are made on an even turf?
It's possible the JBL is EQ'd for optimum sound with all the frequencies boosted while the S1 could be playing flat ... That would make a very crucial difference (heaven & earth) ... which is what is perhaps mystifying you.
Take 1 source of Music ... Play that same source through both speakers & EQ both speakers for the best possible sound within Lows, Mids & Highs. Ensure the Volume of both are the same, or at least as close to each other as possible (perceived loudness-wise). Play this match volume exercise by ear, not by numbers inscribed on each speaker, coz sometimes louder may tend to sound better, which isn't true. Now that both speakers have been optimally tweaked for EQ with a matched loudness, flip back & forth between the 2 speakers with the identical source soundtrack playing. Hint: Doing this through a Mixer with flat eq's should aid this flipping exercise, as you can MUTE each channel/speaker to flip back & forth. This should give you a pretty non-biased view. After this EQ exercise, I'd like to hear your views.
I too desperately want to buy the JBL, primarily because of the MIXER app, plus a host of other extra small add-on features. Waiting for an opportunity to personally audition it.
Hope this helps.
I too desperately want to buy the JBL, primarily because of the MIXER app, plus a host of other extra small add-on features. Waiting for an opportunity to personally audition it.
Hope this helps.
I have a Behringer XR12 and a pure sine wave inverter power pack which I will use with my two S1's for small 'off grid' gigs. It's a great sounding little mixer with 10 times the facility of the Eon C's built in jobbie. While I would have loved the onboard mixer to be iPad controlled It's a luxury I can live without if I only need 2 or three inputs.
Tarek posted:Thabks for you all
Actually i tried them both as my friend bought the jbl and the difference was hugeee the jbl not only louder but it's better and i can't believe how is it better with only tweeter?.. i tried them for more than 5 hrs and the jbl waaaay better , but now i need to know how ,???? i tried many tracks even tracks without bass to make the comparison.. but jbl wins .. thanks .. please me help to know how the jbl is better ??????.
Wow, my experience is totally different. I've been pretty disappointed in the sound and function of the JBL. To me, the S1s sound just about perfect right out of the box with tone controls off and tonematch off. The JBL just sounds dull in comparison. I can also get the S1 louder clean. I started to play to neighborhood with the JBL and it started farting out and sounded horrible. Ran in and got my S1 and it was lightyears better and louder without farting out.
If you're comparing the sound of pre-recorded music over bluetooth, well we have nothing to discuss. I'm talking about acoustic guitars and vocals. Add to that on the JBL, bluetooth music requires a different overall eq than guitar and vocals.
Tarek posted:Thabks for you all
Actually i tried them both as my friend bought the jbl and the difference was hugeee the jbl not only louder but it's better and i can't believe how is it better with only tweeter?.. i tried them for more than 5 hrs and the jbl waaaay better , but now i need to know how ,???? i tried many tracks even tracks without bass to make the comparison.. but jbl wins .. thanks .. please me help to know how the jbl is better ??????.
The JBL is better to your ear. That's what makes it better to you. If you want the most bass out of the S1, you have to put it on a pole stand or tape down the switch hidden inside the pole mount. If you're device providing the music is producing too much bass, you can overwhelm either speaker, so check that too.
No it's not about that the bass is making noise and if i reduce the bass from eq it's so weak.. that what i mean.. i tried both the jbl is waay better in low end
Tarek posted:No it's not about that the bass is making noise and if i reduce the bass from eq it's so weak.. that what i mean.. i tried both the jbl is waay better in low end
It has a bigger speaker.
But the low end on the S1 changes with how you position the speaker. Is it set like a monitor? Is it tilted back? Is it sitting flat on a table? Is it on the pole? Each position gives you a different amount of bass, from least to most.
I tried all positions , the bass is making noise so i have to reduce volume or eq and it's not good.. and i tried pole it's worse because already bass makes noise so when put it on pole makes more noise ..