L1 Model II as vocal PA for band

Thinking of buying a used system about 5 years old ....no experience with it other than played a few times in a band that had one...if you have 2 full units do they connect together so all vocals come out of both units? Also can a board mixer 16 channel be used to feed into both units? Maybe stupid questions but I cannot find right info that clearly answers that for me. Hope people can help me understand how that might work. This system I am looking at has two towers and 4 B1's but no tone match unit Thanks




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Hi Prowlrman,

Thank you for joining the Forum.


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Originally posted by Prowlrman:
Thinking of buying a used system about 5 years old …no experience with it other than played a few times in a band that had one…if you have 2 full units do they connect together so all vocals come out of both units?

You can’t connect two L1 Model II Systems without a mixer or a T1®. But keep reading.
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Also can a board mixer 16 channel be used to feed into both units?

You CAN use a board mixer to feed both units. And depending on the quality of the board, you can get great results.
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Maybe stupid questions but I cannot find right info that clearly answers that for me. Hope people can help me understand how that might work. This system I am looking at has two towers and 4 B1’s but no tone match unit Thanks


Do you have a mixer now?

Please tell us more about your music:
  • What kind(s) of music you play?
  • Where you do it (size, type of venue)?
  • Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing?
  • Do you have a web site?
  • If no web site, could you post a picture of your band?



Thank you.


Oh - and if you have a couple of minutes to show us your stage layout I can give you some ideas about how you can use the L1®s.

We have a tool for that. The Sketcher

ST

I am checking on board model number but it is a Yamaha. Normally play rooms to 200-300 people. And also outdoor car shows. Classic rock also back Elvis tribute artist. Go to www.roustaboutband.com. Look for elvis video tab and you will have good overview of band

Hi Prowlrman,

A warm welcome to the forum from me, too.

Regarding the mixer, if you pan the vocals to centre (12 o’ clock) and feed the main outs to the analogue inputs on the power stands, it should give you the vocals out of both units. As ST pointed out, the quality of the sound will depend on how good your mixer is.

Actually, with 2 L1’s and 4 B1’s you should be able to put the whole band through the Bose system and probably do without floor monitors. You’ll definitely hear yourselves as never before. For guitar and bass you may need some sort of preamp/modeler to get the sound you need, but the sound will be “even” throughout the room.

Does that help in any way?

Please let us know how you get on.

Tony

Hey Seagullman…thanks for post!

ST Mixer is a Yahama MG 16XU I did not have time yet to send a stage set up but fairly basic for 4 musicians and Elvis guy or classic rock without him.

We would hope to eliminate stage monitors also. Use this system for main sound choice…

Thanks

Hi Prowlrman,

I found several documents about your mixer here:

Yamaha documents downloads

It looks like it’s going to be easy to connect your mixer to the L1®s using ¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve cables from the STEREO OUT jacks.



I would expect to get really good results with this combination.


Note: I would set up the L1®s behind the band at about 1/3 intervals across the stage.




If you can put the L1®s behind the band then you won’t need monitors.


And I would not set the pan controls up the center. Here’s an overview of why.

Can I Use the L1®s as a PA

ST

Hi Prowlrman,

Here’s a video that explains why you can use the L1®s behind the performers.

The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification

ST

Hi Prowlrman,

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Hey Seagullman…thanks for post!


My pleasure.

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ST wrote:

And I would not set the pan controls up the center. Here’s an overview of why.


With 2 L1 systems as a PA neither would I. My statement

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Regarding the mixer, if you pan the vocals to centre (12 o’ clock) and feed the main outs to the analogue inputs on the power stands, it should give you the vocals out of both units.


was only an answer to Prowlrman’s question

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written by Prowlrman:

if you have 2 full units do they connect together so all vocals come out of both units?


and here I had to say “yes” although as ST explains, it’s not the best way to go. ST’s link to

Can I Use the L1®s as a PA

explains the situation extremely well and I would advise you to take the time to read the article carefully. It really is a good explanation, although at first it may seem to be a weird idea.

With a “normal” PA system in many locations I prefer to use a “dual mono” set-up (both sides of the PA having the same signals - except maybe for stereo effects), but due to the properties of an L1 PA set-up I would not normally consider using it in a dual mono configuration.

I hope I’ve not confused anything here.

I think that you’ll find ST’s advice here to be excellent once you’ve tried it out. It won’t do you any harm to try out other configurations in a practice room or practice stage e.g. as there’s nothing (in my books) that can really replace personal experience. You’ll then probably find that the advice given in the article really does work best in an L1 PA set-up.

It will be interesting to see how you decide to go, and how it all works for you. Please keep us informed of your progress and experiences with the system should you decide to pull the plug on the Bose systems.

Tony

ST and Seagullman…YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!! Thank you for such detailed advice!! I will read it in detail later as I am in office now and just saw your responses! This is all making me feel very positive about the decision to invest in these units and improve the overall quality sound for the band! I’ll respond more after I read the suggestions you have provided. What a great forum to help out a novice like me on the use of these units.