I bought the T8s new tonematch in October last year and even after applying the latest update am totally disapointed in the REVERB quality against the original T1 Tonematch. The version that I have on the T8s is v1.1.4.
I have compared the Reverb on both the original T1 and the T8s using Plate - Medium set at 30% and 50% using Neuman KMS105 microphone. The Reverb quality is still not the same as the original T1 even after applying the update V1.1.4.
The vocals quality is also much smoother on the T1 then the T8s
Second Issue - I have a Taylor acoustic and applied the T5 setting. The original T1 feels tight and clean.. the T8s seems to be very bright and loss of volume both at the same setting.
I have 6 Bose Model 2 systems with B2 subs which have been performing exceptionally well for the last 5-6years (3 bought new within the last 2 years) with individual T1 Tonematch mixer. The T8s mixer would bought due to additional channels and so far has not proved itself. I would appreciate if your Technical department take a closer look and apply a new update as soon as possible.
Let's start with the microphone with reverb question first.
I did a recording with a Neumann KMS 105 the T1 and T8S.
The recording is in stereo with the T1 on one side and the T8S on the other. Please listen to the recording and we'll talk about which is which later.
I mixed the same recording down to mono for the third listening test below.
Playback
Mono - T1 to L1 Model II
Use this file: T8S and T1 Reverb - Stereo
Connect your computer to the T8S using USB from PC set to the default setting - Left: Master, Right Master. This will bypass any processing in the T8S.
You should hear exactly what I hear when I play the file here through a single L1.
Stereo - T8S to two L1 Model II
Use this file: T8S and T1 Reverb - Stereo Connect your computer to the T8S using USB B from PC set to the default setting - Left: Master, Right Master. This will bypass any processing in the T8S.
You should hear exactly what I hear when I play the file here except now you will hear the Left side out of one L1 and the Right side out of the other L1
Mono - T8S to two L1 Model II
Use this file: T8S and T1 Reverb - Mono
Connect your computer to the T8S using USB B from PC set to the default setting - Left: Master, Right Master. This will bypass any processing in the T8S.
You should hear exactly what I hear when I play the file here except now you will hear both the left and right tracks mixed to mono out of both L1s at the same time
Does the tone change when you use this file?
Details:
Microphone: Neumann KMS 105 using close microphone technique
Preset: Neuman KMS 105
EQ: None
Using only Reverb with these settings: T1 Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 1.20s Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 50%
T8S Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 25% (this is 25% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.20s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65%
The T1 is running the latest firmware version 1.8. The T8S is running the latest firmware version 1.1.4.
Listen to the files through one or two L1s as I described above. Listening through headphones won't be helpful because we are talking about what you hear in a live setting.
Two questions for listening test 1 and 2
Can you hear the difference between the left and right sides?
Do you have a preference: left or right?
One question for listening test 3
Is the tone different when you listen in mono through two L1s?
I have set the T8s based on your configuration above and sounds hollow and reverb not as good as the T1 still.
Can you not get the same setting T1 Time 1.75 Bal 50 -- Mix 30 Bright 50? this would make life a lot easier. The mic sound is much smoother. I want to use the T8s instead of the T1. Thanks
These are the settings on the T8S I used in the second recording. The ones you asked for.
T8S - in the recording Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 50% (this is 50% of 4.6 sec = approx 2.30s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65%
T8S - new settings to try Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 38% (this is 38% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.75s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% <-- You can try turning this down to make things warmer
Important Question
Are you running the T8S in stereo to two L1s?
Diagnostic test: If you are running two L1s, try disconnecting one of the L1s and see if that sounds better.
Second Issue - I have a Taylor acoustic and applied the T5 setting. The original T1 feels tight and clean.. the T8s seems to be very bright and loss of volume both at the same setting.
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Maximilan de Souza
I started a new discussion about the Taylor T5 Preset. Please follow the link.
Do you hear a difference between one and two in the recordings above?
Do you have a preference?
If you have a T4S or T8S and you are running two L1 Model II or L1 Model 1S systems - do you notice a difference playing these tracks through one or both L1 systems?