With the entry of the new B2, what do I do with my 4 B1’s?
The resale price on the B1 probably went down to half of what it was a month ago. Maybe even less! Should I sell them anyway?
Will the B2 work so much better with my Model 1 than my 4 B1’s, that I should just get 2 and take the loss selling my B1’s
Will the B2 work with my L1 Compact, a Rolls crossover and a Packlite or should I keep my B1’s for that?
A lot of questions to be answered before I move up to the B2.
quote:Originally posted by Lou 😧
With the entry of the new B2, what do I do with my 4 B1's?
The resale price on the B1 probably went down to half of what it was a month ago. Maybe even less! Should I sell them anyway?
Will the B2 work so much better with my Model 1 than my 4 B1's, that I should just get 2 and take the loss selling my B1's
Will the B2 work with my L1 Compact, a Rolls crossover and a Packlite or should I keep my B1's for that?
A lot of questions to be answered before I move up to the B2.
I stopped at GC to take a look... not sure I care for them, they are a lot taller and heavier.... I may have a time I will just use one B1.. I like THAT option..
Hey Lou,
I already bought two B2’s this past week and have been contemplating selling my B1’s too. I’ve gone back and forth on the idea and think I may keep two and sell off the other two.
I have one B1 I just exchanged for one that stopped working after 7 1/2 years of service. The new B1, with the exchange and shipping, cost me <specific price>¹. That one is a keeper. There’s no way I can sell it and make a profit off of it. There are smaller events I do where a B2 is going to be overkill.
I think I’m going to keep that one, and another, just so I have options of using just one B1 with one L1 MII, or I can use one B1 with each when I need to do small to medium sized events.
The other B1’s are going up for sale. Keep in mind, I looked on ebay, and used B1’s are going for between <specific prices>¹ at tops. Then there’s the selling fees and paypal fees associated with the sale. It may, may not be worth selling.
If you decide to keep your B1’s, you’ll have more options to choose from.
¹edit: specific prices removed.
quote:The resale price on the B1 probably went down to half of what it was a month ago.
Not so.
quote:Will the B2 work with my L1 Compact, a Rolls crossover and a Packlite or should I keep my B1's for that?
Yes!
Did you see my post HERE?
You could substitute your Model I for the Compact in this set up as well.
You will not get the advantage of the bass boost/cut switch on the B2, but it might work.
I'd probably recommend hanging on to your B1s for a while, until more user testing comes in.
The B2 is a likable chap, just a bit rotund.
Hi Drumr,
Having looked at your video with the B2, Rolls Xover and Compact the other day and reading this thread, a few questions come to mind:
For the Model 1 and Classic, if we were to consider the B2 as a bass expansion option, could the enhanced capabilities of the B2 be accessed by using the Rolls Xover you have with an A1 PackLite® and using the Sub out from the power stand? In this instance you would connect two B1s to the power stand and add the B2, Rolls and A1.
If we consider that the reason that the option of the B2 is not available when connected to the Model 1 or Classic is a matter of internal processing, then it should not be a limitation in this configuration.
It is my understanding that the A1 amplifier is very similar to the B1 amplifier in the power stands. Therefore, the A1 should be capable of driving the B2 similarly to the Model II when the B2 switch is in the position.
To be clear, I understand that the B2 switch position does not affect the functioning of the A1 and I take this into consideration in this premise. The reason I suggest connecting two BIs to the power stand here is because the Model 1 or Classic are not able to take advantage of the B2 switch position and most Mode I / Classic owner’s likely already own B1s.
So to recap:
Connect two B1 to the Model I power stand.
Take the bass line out of the power stand and connect it into the Rolls Xover.
Take the low output from the Rolls Xover into the A1 PackLite® input.
Connect the B2 to the PackLite®’s output. (B2 switch position is not relevant)
Tweak the Rolls’ Xover controls to get enhanced bass from the B2.
I don’t see a point in connecting a B2 to the Model I power stand when only considering enhanced bass since the full capabilities of the B2 cannot be accessed by the Model I.
By the way, I have no need for this setup. Just thinking about Lou D’s question in relation to you Compact - B2 setup.
Thoughts?
Well done Mark!
Running the crossover with my Model 1 is probably not worth the hassle.
I’m in a holding pattern for a while but if the B2 (without the ) is equal to or better than 2 B1’s, it might be worth taking the leap.
quote:quote:
The resale price on the B1 probably went down to half of what it was a month ago.
Not so.
DRUMR I can confirm that the B1's are going really cheap on those auction sites....and just a few weeks ago you would see them for around $<specific prices>¹ each and are now going for $<specific prices>¹
¹edit: specific prices removed.
quote:Originally posted by Le5:
So to recap:
Connect two B1 to the Model I power stand.
Take the bass line out of the power stand and connect it into the Rolls Xover.
Take the low output from the Rolls Xover into the A1 PackLite® input.
Connect the B2 to the PackLite®'s output. (B2 switch position is not relevant)
Tweak the Rolls' Xover controls to get enhanced bass from the B2.
Thoughts?
Hi Le5,
Technically, I don't know the answer.
I don't have a Model I, so I can't test, but your audio chain looks like it will work.
I do know that with 2-B1s connected, the Power Stand will apply the "2-B1 EQ curve" to the Bass Line Out.
That will in some way affect what the B2 receives and outputs, EQ-wise.
Depending on the (unknown to me) output level of the power stand's bass line out, the SX21 might allow you to turn up the actual volume of the B2 up more than you might get from the Packlite alone.
As the switch on the B2 won't affect the sound, the bass would only be "enhanced" by way of the volume, and not by any applied EQ curve or software/firmware settings.
The crossover frequency on the SX21 will, of course also affect the outcome.
This is my best guess.
Is this what you were asking?
quote:DRUMR I can confirm that the B1's are going really cheap on those auction sites....and just a few weeks ago you would see them for around $<specific prices>¹ each and are now going for $<specific prices>¹
Hi NawTboy,
I have been asked not to discuss sales prices and such, but what you state in your post is not what I experienced.
Often prices vary quite a bit, and for no apparent reason.
¹edit: specific prices removed.
Hey Lou, you’ll have to do your own testing I guess, IMO the B2 in normal position outperforms 4 B1s. It’s actually quite nice in the normal position, a nice balanced tone but still that thump that 1, 2 or even 4 B1s just can’t quite deliver. Personally I’m unloading all of my B1s. I just like the sound too much I don’t mind carrying 1 B2 in place of 4 B1s. I don’t mind the extra room in my car. Even if I have a gig where the B1 could do the job, personally I would still take the B2. I prefer the sound of my guitar and vocals through it, it’s a subtle difference but it’s a bit thicker. The tower still provides the clarity so to me it’s the best of both worlds. That said it’s totally a matter or taste and what you’re after.
In another thread I mentioned how I had lent a buddy of mine one of my B2s for his gig Saturday night. He’s a solo act, singer/guitar player who uses backing tracks. His model II power stand hadn’t been updated so normal mode was the only option. He normally uses 2 B1s. After the gig he said he doesn’t want to do another gig until he gets a B2 and it was obvious why, the overall sound was just so much better.
I am seeing what NawTboy,is seeing <specific prices>¹ per B1 on Ebay!!! Ouch!
I wish Bose had a trade up plan.
¹edit: specific prices removed.
quote:Originally posted by Drumr:quote:DRUMR I can confirm that the B1's are going really cheap on those auction sites....and just a few weeks ago you would see them for around $<specific price>¹ each and are now going for $<specific price>¹
Hi NawTboy,
I have been asked not to discuss sales prices and such, but what you state in your post is not what I experienced.
Often prices vary quite a bit, and for no apparent reason.
It's supply and demand. Since many more people are selling their b1's because they bought the B2, the supply has increased and the demand has decreased, so there is no where for the prices to go, but down!
¹edit: specific prices removed.
quote:IMO the B2 in normal position outperforms 4 B1s. It's actually quite nice in the normal position, a nice balanced tone but still that thump that 1, 2 or even 4 B1s just can't quite deliver.
I too feel that the B2 at Normal setting sounds fuller, thumpier than 2-B1s.
Even on "-", it sounds full enough for my E-drums (at rehearsal, but I wouldn't set it there at a gig).
As I said before, my room can't handle the B2 at " ", it rattles everything in the room.
Can't wait to get it out live!
quote:It's supply and demand. Since many more people are selling their b1's because they bought the B2, the supply has increased and the demand has decreased, so there is no where for the prices to go, but down!
True enough...I suppose I got lucky being one of the first to sell.
I only sold those two, I have plenty more in stock that I will keep.
Hey Guys,
I love the discussion here let’s keep it going but please remember that per the forum rules we don’t talk about specific Ebay sales or pricing.
Thanks,
Craig
quote:Originally posted by Litesnsirens:
Hey Lou, you'll have to do your own testing I guess, IMO the B2 in normal position outperforms 4 B1s. It's actually quite nice in the normal position, a nice balanced tone but still that thump that 1, 2 or even 4 B1s just can't quite deliver. Personally I'm unloading all of my B1s. I just like the sound too much I don't mind carrying 1 B2 in place of 4 B1s. I don't mind the extra room in my car. Even if I have a gig where the B1 could do the job, personally I would still take the B2. I prefer the sound of my guitar and vocals through it, it's a subtle difference but it's a bit thicker. The tower still provides the clarity so to me it's the best of both worlds. That said it's totally a matter or taste and what you're after.
In another thread I mentioned how I had lent a buddy of mine one of my B2s for his gig Saturday night. He's a solo act, singer/guitar player who uses backing tracks. His model II power stand hadn't been updated so normal mode was the only option. He normally uses 2 B1s. After the gig he said he doesn't want to do another gig until he gets a B2 and it was obvious why, the overall sound was just so much better.
So my nest question is....
Will the B2 work well with a Compact, a Crossover and a Packlite? If so, all 4 of my B1's go on the block to be replaced with 2 B2's
Hi Lou,
quote:Originally posted by Lou
So my next question is…
Will the B2 work well with a Compact, a Crossover and a Packlite? If so, all 4 of my B1’s go on the block to be replaced with 2 B2’s
You have to see Drumr’s report on this.
The Compact and the B2, via the A1 and the Rolls SX21 Look for the link to the video at the end of Drumr’s post.
quote:Originally posted by ST:
Hi Lou,quote:Originally posted by Lou 😧
So my next question is....
Will the B2 work well with a Compact, a Crossover and a Packlite? If so, all 4 of my B1's go on the block to be replaced with 2 B2's
You have to see Drumr's report on this.
The Compact and the B2, via the A1 and the Rolls SX21 Look for the link to the video at the end of Drumr's post.
I found the hookup a bit complicated and cumbersome and prefer to keep my audio enhancing devices to a minimum. Compact out to Rolls to Packlite to B2. Drumr's report says this configuration does not make for a satisfactory result. So no cigars for my new B2 twins just yet.
If your a DJ and want to blast your audience with Base pump and thump then I guess the new B2 is just fine over 2 base bins. If your a musician doing solo or duo then I feel 2 bins are all you really need and will blend your talent evenly instead of drowning it out with thump. That being the case and if 2 bins sound as good as a B2 in normal mode then save your money and keep the 2 bins.
Just my two cents
AJ
Class Entertainment
"music is neither new or old…it just “is”
quote:
I found the hookup a bit complicated and cumbersome and prefer to keep my audio enhancing devices to a minimum. Compact out to Rolls to Packlite to B2. Drumr's report says this configuration does not make for a satisfactory result. So no cigars for my new B2 twins just yet.
Lou, the problem with using the Compact's Line Out into the Crossover is that the output level is not "hot" enough.
Or at least it wasn't in my case, when the Compact had a vocal mic and Porchboard bass hooked up to it, at gig volume.
It did work in the sense that you could hear the add-on sub, it just wasn't loud enough for me.
I had the crossover's Lo Out all the way up, and the hi out only up 1/2 way, so...not enough Lo headroom.
Also, you still get the Compact's own woofer competing for the sound, and it had a hollow tone to it, so I used the T1.
This way, you send ONLY the highs to the Compact, which should lighten the load on the Compact's amp, giving more headroom.
You also get more headroom overall.
You also have a T1 no doubt, and the hookup is not really all that much harder to deal with, in my opinion.
Once set, it stays where it is.
Back to the the L1 Model 1 with the B2.
I will probably keep my 2 B1’s so I have the option to run the B2, B1 and A1 Packlite combos ST described when starting this thread.
B1 and B2 Combinations